Disagreement with BD's"optional" tag on men below 35 to meet physical baseline

BigDaddy

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What's good 2.0s

I went through the whole course and it is life-changing, and you probably already know.

I agree with most of the points Caleb makes in his content, very rarely do i have a point i think he is very wrong on, but one point which in my strong opinion he is wrong on is when he said working on your physical health below the age of 35 is purely optional. when he first said it was optional, i was somewhat surprised, but his explanation made a lot of sense. i know a 28 year old guy who drinks a shitton and does a lot of drugs and he looks pretty healthy, so the argument that it is optional is very valid. however, i was still expecting him to throw in "but i highly recommend you take care of your health from a young age" at some point, but he didn't. the girl (Kate i think?) even asked him straight up if he thinks it's recommended for younger men to do this, but he still maintained it's purely optional.

For clarity, I am 23, well under 35. I am very healthy in terms of consuming healthy food, no drugs, smoking, or alcohol. and i work out regularly. i do fuck up slightly in terms of missing workouts and sometimes eating BS food, but that's ok because 1) as BD mentions, my 23 yo body can handle it and 2) my physical body is currently on maintenance, not improvement. in spite of that, i have a great body with 6 pack abs and well defined muscle, and am relatively disease free.

I am doing me, and I still keep my outcome independence and don't bother myself with what others do. but in my strong opinion, physical health should not be "purely optional" for the younger man. at the bare minimum, it should be "optional but highly recommended", or at least aspects of it. for example, tracking testosterone and estradiol are optional (although i would do it), but maybe thyroid, and DEFINITELY vitamin D shold be tracked (i got my result yesterday at 23ng/ml.. have to restart taking supplements). something else to consider: i am by no means an expert, but common sense tells me that even if your body might be more or less ok if you never work out, do drugs and smoke and drink, have terrible sleep, eat junk food at 25, but if you start meeting the baselines at 35, you will have a hard time in general as compared to someone who's been meeting the baselines at 25 and maintains it at 35 and on. finally, why the fuck should younger men have more leeway than older ones? they have as much time (if not more), and can be as disciplined, and need the benefits of working out and eating healthy too. why not start developing good habits from the very start?

That is all,
BigDaddy
 

Papi Knox

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Agreed

It's OK to disagree with each other here

We all know it's nothing personal

I have a chronic health condition that debilitates me IF I don't manage my physical life well

By doing that work, I realize I'm not unique

This is critical FOR all people, especially men like

Put your physical health first

Respect yourself by improving your mental and physical strength in all the ways you can

Those two things will transfer to all areas of your life

Attract women easier with your physical prowess, also have more fun with dominating during sex

Control your relationships easier with mental strength that lets you control your emotions so that you're unbothered by her emotions or her emotional attack

Take notice of the top leaders in making money, they're body language is on point and they ALL seem to have the same physiognomy. That's not an accident. They're big, muscular, confident and more BECAUSE of their commitment to health

The fat or dorky men have to compensate and rely on their intelligence, meanwhile the men who put health first can go anywhere, anytime and command respect, which is why they make huge deals on a regular basis because people respect them more
 

BigDaddy

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yes, I like the detailed explanation, furthers my point. Yes, you do not need to go crazy with fitness, but imo you need to at least do the basics of not eating shitty food, working out at least 90 hours a week, etc.
 

HermitBob

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Absolutely, poor health choices are cumulative! Preventing damage is far more valuable than trying to undo damage (which is in fairness also possible but late stage recovery you will never be in as good shape as always-been-healthy you).

Plus building that body you've always wanted takes years. May as well start as early as you can.
 
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