Distinguish between A2.0, A1.0, Confident Beta, and Fake Alpha?

Leon

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How do you quickly distinguish between A2.0, A1.0, Confident Beta and the worst, Fake Alpha, without knowing them very well? (strangers or friends-of-friend at a party/social meeting).

Do you have any conversational/trick question to quickly dig deep and find out which category the dude you're talking to belong to?

Same question for the women, how do you quickly assert if the gal you're talking to is a submissive/independent/dominant?

Like in Poker, I find the ability to read ppl well helps tremendously in choosing how to react with different ppl/situations. I'd like to do it better but find it very hard sometimes, especially without knowing their dating and relationship history.
 

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huh

That's a bigger set of questions than you may think. It all depends on many factors, and just because someone is one thing or another doesn't mean they can't be an asset to you.

Don't think of these terms too much and instead see how they can help you reach your goals, and vis--versa.

A20s are hard to distinguish in the wild since you don't have all the necessary information about their women and/or finances.

As for women. No such thing as an Independent woman in your social circles. Unless you hang with Oprah regularly. Outside of her, everyone woman, including Beyoncé is submissive.

That's right, I'm saying ALL women are submissive. They all fall on the spectrum of highly submissive to all men (a hoe) and less submissive (a dumb hoe). Yes even dominant ones. They just demand a more aggressive man to approach them who deserves their submission. If you aren't that man, don't bother. It's never worth the extra effort anyway since you can easily find a more submissive woman around the corner.

Major mindset shift that can help you with your goals this year.
 

Leon

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just because someone is one thing or another doesn't mean they can't be an asset to you.

Don't think of these terms too much and instead see how they can help you reach your goals, and vis--versa.
I agree. However, in a big party or social meeting with limited time, I'd like to quickly read and sort out ppl in order to better invest my time with them. For example, I would want to try my best to make friend with the A2.0 (be surrounded by A2.0s is one of my goal in life, you become what your closest buddies are), avoid picking unnecessary fights with the A1.0, exploit the Confident Beta's weakness if there's competition and just straight out ignore the Fake Alphas (not worth my time socializing with them).

I have the feeling BD can very quickly (and quite correctly) sort out his readers to those different categories and I want that ability. If he can do it online, I certainly should be able to do it in a face-to-face setting.

As for women. No such thing as an Independent woman in your social circles. Unless you hang with Oprah regularly. Outside of her, everyone woman, including Beyoncé is submissive.

That's right, I'm saying ALL women are submissive. They all fall on the spectrum of highly submissive to all men (a hoe) and less submissive (a dumb hoe). Yes even dominant ones. They just demand a more aggressive man to approach them who deserves their submission. If you aren't that man, don't bother. It's never worth the extra effort anyway since you can easily find a more submissive woman around the corner.
I see your point and I agree that most women are submissive to men at some point. That's how the world works.

However, I'm talking about the concept BD posted here:

Obviously, knowing which categories a girl you are sarging belong to will help you calibrate your approach and score more points with her. For example, I can be very commanding and ''relationship manhandle'' a submissive and she will love me for that, but with a dominant/independent girl it may create initial faux-pas and I will have to do it more subtle, gradually way, like giving instruction rather than commanding right from the start.

Hope you see my point.
 

lenox

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The answer is still the same. I hear what you're saying, but you don't know what I know yet.

That is right now, you're so excited to learn and apply that you're missing the opportunity to just live the learning experience. We all go through that with something new because we see the possibilities of becoming Expert.

As men, we need to manage that energy and respect the process of crawling before running.

I have to say this because the TRUE answer to your post is... Join SMIC.


Right now you have the opportunity to join SMIC where men are living the skills you want.

Yet you haven't showed up for the fun because you're overlooking the opportunity staring at you. You want to skip the line to the advanced stuff.

Begs the question:

Where else are you missing opportunities to have what you want now simply because you're putting the cart before the horse?
Join SMIC.

See how A2.0s operate in real life.

Learn directly in real time.

Notice the patterns so offline you can find similar men.

Take the same approach with women to discover submissive and dominant traits.

People are simple, but if you don't invest in the experience with them like I mentioned, you'll overthink it Brother and go nowhere.

Hold yourself to a higher standard because you deserve it.

Respect yourself.

Find me and say hello, when you get there.
 

C Lo

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This is going to make a lot of people mad. Sorry for your feelings ahead of time.

Like in Poker, I find the ability to read ppl well helps tremendously in choosing how to react with different ppl/situations.
I like where you are going with this. There are a lot of parallels between playing poker and peoples behavior. People do the same things over and over again and aren't even conscious they are doing it. That's why stereotyping in poker works.* Phil Helmuth's poker book is utterly worthless other than his discussion of "animal types" (which is just re-branded stereotyping and very good).

*this means if you see a young and aggressive player raise ten pots in a row and show down garbage, you can reasonably assume he's running without the ball a lot, as opposed to an older and more conservatively dressed player who hasn't put a chip in the pot in an hour, who is NEVER playing without some sort of hand.

**this does NOT mean that passive visual stereotyping is okay or valid. Observe the response to stimuli first, then stereotype them. If you see somebody who's a different ethnicity than you and you start judging them before you know anything about them, you are doing it wrong, and you are an awful person.

That's a bigger set of questions than you may think.
I don't agree at all. It's super easy if you ask the right questions. People will tell you all kinds of stuff you shouldn't know if you listen correctly and you know how to obtusely ask open ended questions. It's all in the set up.

In the course of conversation, either actively steer towards/or just wait till the conversation crosses the topic of bad behavior by women, specifically what their response is to a woman who gets out of line, or even better, gets physical. Or get on topic of what their woman won't let him do. Something like that where everyone has strong opinions. All men have experience with this, and their attitude and their response will tell you almost everything you need to know.

Recently, someone was bitching about some awful thing his wife did or another. I don't remember what specifically happened, but it was pretty serious, and in an effort to lighten the mood I quipped "You know, she's totally replaceable!" He got real serious and was "oh no, I couldn't do that". Most of the guys laughed in nervous agreement. One guy said "oh man, wait till we get home..." through gritted teeth.

Can you pick out the Alpha 2.0 (the one demonstrating outcome independence/abundance mentality), the betas (scarcity mentality), or the alpha 1.0 (the high drama control freak)?

I think you can!
 

lenox

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This is going to make a lot of people mad. Sorry for your feelings ahead of time.

You're in the right place brother. No hard feelings since we all know nothing here is personal.


I don't agree at all. It's super easy if you ask the right questions. People will tell you all kinds of stuff you shouldn't know if you listen correctly and you know how to obtusely ask open ended questions. It's all in the set up.
Exactly, but for someone doing this the first time, they won't know those questions. They'll overthink. Our responses are the same though. Spend time with the people you say you want to understand better. Shut up. Listen. Apply the archetype to other people.

But still, it doesnt' matter who is Alpha or not. Only who is helping me build.

The world is led by Alphas, but it's been built by the hands of betas, sigmas, gammas, etc. Everyone plays a role. Find it , place people accordingly, and use it to your advantage.
 
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