I need this Whatsapp thread debugged!!

[AFC]

I left a date last night feeling frazzled about how it went, to my surprise I got the Untimate IOI soon after the date, so I moved to schedule a meet up for this Saturday.. Seems to have fallen apart, would love some pro feedback...


[20:18, 08/10/2020] Her : I really enjoyed meeting you
[20:34, 08/10/2020] Me: Yea I had fun, no rain as well i was a little self conscious about my nose but I think it wasn't too bad heh
[20:34, 08/10/2020] Her : Ohhh that was fine!
[20:34, 08/10/2020] Her : No need
[20:35, 08/10/2020] Me: Ahh cool, I just bought some fruit, shops are still open.. lite meal for me.. fruit and rice..
[20:36, 08/10/2020] Her : I just had some smash avo with cheese
[20:36, 08/10/2020] Her :
[20:37, 08/10/2020] Me: Ahh perfect
Let's catch up again, perhaps Saturday can do something?
[20:37, 08/10/2020] Her : Yeah sure!
[20:37, 08/10/2020] Her :
[20:38, 08/10/2020] Me: Can meet up at my place, perhaps 3pm?
[20:39, 08/10/2020] Her : What area do you live?
[20:39, 08/10/2020] Me: Just in ABC
[20:40, 08/10/2020] Her : Ohh i actually gotta go pick up the van at BCD!
[20:40, 08/10/2020] Me: Ahh really? That could work
[20:40, 08/10/2020] Her : Haha
[20:41, 08/10/2020] Me: You need your housemate to help right?
[20:42, 08/10/2020] Her : No, she doesnt drive
[20:43, 08/10/2020] Her : Thats why i need someone else to help
[20:43, 08/10/2020] Me: I see, I can possibly help out
[20:43, 08/10/2020] Her : Yay!!! Thank youyy
[20:44, 08/10/2020] Me: Hehe if it's all sorted out, perhaps we can organise something when you come over
[20:44, 08/10/2020] Her : Ohhh something like what?!
[20:45, 08/10/2020] Me: You're not far right?
[20:45, 08/10/2020] Her : DEF
[20:46, 08/10/2020] Me: Ya perhaps i can chuck my bike in one of your cars, I think that's ok
[20:46, 08/10/2020] Me: If that makes sense
[20:47, 08/10/2020] Her : Yeah
[20:47, 08/10/2020] Me: If you trust me to drive one of your cars (I think I'm a good driver heh)
[20:48, 08/10/2020] Her : Haha i kinda have to
[20:48, 08/10/2020] Me: I can put my bike in your car, so you know I'm not just going to go off on my own adventure
[20:49, 08/10/2020] Her : Fair enough
[20:49, 08/10/2020] Her : Bike is prob worth more than my car
[20:49, 08/10/2020] Me: (my bike is precious to me heh)
[20:50, 08/10/2020] Me: Hah ehh i try to take care of it but it's just ok I guess
[20:50, 08/10/2020] Her : And my car is pretty shit
[20:51, 08/10/2020] Her :
[20:51, 08/10/2020] Me: Hah beats uber/busses I'm sure
[20:51, 08/10/2020] Her : Trueeee
[20:51, 08/10/2020] Her : It gets me from A to B
[20:51, 08/10/2020] Me: Yup yup
[20:52, 08/10/2020] Me: Hopefully sun in the meantime
[20:52, 08/10/2020] Me: No exercise for this guy
[20:52, 08/10/2020] Her : Haha
[20:53, 08/10/2020] Me: Still sore from yesterday..
[21:05, 08/10/2020] Me: So perhaps if you finalize your deal for the new car and can leave it there, then can meet up at my place?
[21:05, 08/10/2020] Her : I kinda wanna take it back to my place
[21:06, 08/10/2020] Her : But its ok, i can figure sth out
[21:07, 08/10/2020] Me: Ok yea for sure
[21:23, 08/10/2020] Her : Offt just fell asleep on the couch
[21:23, 08/10/2020] Her :
[21:24, 08/10/2020] Me: Heh sleepy Her
[21:24, 08/10/2020] Her : Yah
[21:24, 08/10/2020] Me: Just something lite..[image]
[21:25, 08/10/2020] Her : Nice! Is that yogurt with the fruit?
[21:25, 08/10/2020] Me: For sure
[21:25, 08/10/2020] Her : Yum
[21:25, 08/10/2020] Me: Coconut yoghurt..
[21:26, 08/10/2020] Me: Whens the first road trip u think?
[21:31, 08/10/2020] Her : Uhmmm dunno! Maybe the weekend after ?
[21:34, 08/10/2020] Me: Nice nice
[21:34, 08/10/2020] Me: Mmk so what are your thoughts for Saturday
[21:38, 08/10/2020] Me: My place is quite simple, maybe you can show me some photography tips hah
[21:40, 08/10/2020] Her : My thoughts are non existent rn
[21:41, 08/10/2020] Her : Im fallin asleep
[21:41, 08/10/2020] Her : Niiiight xx
[21:41, 08/10/2020] Me: Ya is cool
[21:41, 08/10/2020] Me: Night x


My next move was just to ask a non related question this afternoon, then move to say
"If you wanted help with the camper van, perhaps you can just drive us back to mine after"

 

[AFC]

Had another date tonight (thanks to get to sex fast...) I was much happier leaving this date, there was less sexual tension tonight (less motivated to think about attempting to pull), and I was much more hesitant to move the conversation towards sex, when I eventually found a segway, rather than an abrupt change, it was natural. This is a little significant. It was housing, have you ever lived with a partner, successful segway -> dating etc.. I didnt do much kino or move the conversation to sex.. took an hour to get that far..
With this perspective, I was pushing too hard on things last night , which I think burned the date. Mainly being tonight I was more comfortable talking, rather than refusing to talk and just keep trying to find things to ask her.. By me talking a bit I could express myself a little, show what I think are good qualities about myself, which I feel was, in this circumstance, a safer option..
unfortunetley the girl last night was hotter hah

 

[Papi Knox]

You're still nervous. That's obvious.

This is all new to you, and I don't think you have a direction and focus yet.

Outline the steps and keep them at the forefront of your mind.

1— Make contact (online or off)
2— Get her number or IG
3— Propose date with exact place and time
4— Have a 60-minute or less date over drinks
5— Get IOI
6— Propose second date of a fun activity at your place with exact date and time
7— Meet, make her laugh, fuck
8— Have her leave. Wait for IOI
9— Rinse and repeat with 49 other girls

Because you aren't thinking of the entire process, you aren't progressing.

Figure out where you are, in real time, with any given girl. Then do what you can smoothly transition her to the next step. Progression is the name of the game.

Sometimes you will fall back. In your example you're at stage 2.

Thing is you went from Man of her dreams to her childhood girlfriend. Now you have to dig yourself out of that hole PLUS progress.

That's the game. Keep making moves.

Keep dating 49 other girls.

Ask for clarification along the way.

Use the Telegram room so we can help you text her the right thing, in real time, with our insights.

Alpha Male 2.0

You can view and join @AlphaMale2 right away.

t.me

 

[AFC]

I'm not nervous. Before Corona, I was having sex on average about once per day (to be precise 36 times in Jan, same in Dec, 18 Feb, 19 March), with several HB MLTRs (9 or so girls). I am just in a different location (my home city) which has a different dynamic.
Also she messaged me this morning. Yay. Third chance draw.
I have got a couple 5-6es basically on lock in, 100% thanks for Blackdragon material. A couple weeks ago I was in a very bad place, resentful and etc etc.. just having sexual relationships is so critical.
I think my issue was needing to ask questions 100% of the time, which cornered me a little..

 

[Papi Knox]

I think my issue was needing to ask questions 100% of the time, which cornered me a little..

This is what's meant by "nervous".

You're playing chess. You cannot be caught off guard with what women will throw at you. They only have a known set of moves. Master them and you will always be ready to position yourself for a win.

In general It's up to you to guide her EVERYWHERE.

In conversation you're guiding her so you can climb the progression steps.

Ultimately, you are not here to talk, you are here to get the relationship. Talking stops you from that. Always keep your intention vivid in your mind so you're always saying and doing things that help you progress.

 

[TheMaleBrain]

My 2 cents about texting:
A. You write more text than she does. Adhere to the golden ratio of 2/3 (for every 3 words she writes, you should write 2)
B. My idea (and I emphasize it) is that texting is a means to an end. You should (mostly) try to move it for a meeting and having sex. I noticed a lot of "NO INTENTON" in your texting. Maybe it's just me.
C. I believe that long texting is not a good way to handle relations. You texted for over an hour.
Basically you nailed it around 20:47 - you had the plan in motion and agreement from the other side. You should have texted "See you then" or something of the sort and text on Saturday to make sure.

And about the date:
You were "not in the mood" as I understand it. It happens.
However, don't rationalize it. Learn from your mistakes and move on.
Dates are about having fun and moving toward sex. If you are not doing it, you are (probably) wasting your time.

If it sounds harsh, it's less intentional. It's your life, and we are here to help, if we can.

 

[Papi Knox]

B. My idea (and I emphasize it) is that texting is a means to an end. You should (mostly) try to move it for a meeting and having sex. I noticed a lot of "NO INTENTON" in your texting. Maybe it's just me.

Exactly. You need to be fun, mysterious, and/or provocative. If you aren't you're boring. meaning you have to wait until she has NO ONE else to talk with before she says hi again. If she ever reaches out again.

 

[AFC]

Cancelled on one of these new girls (FB status) today as I was a little run down, she was going to come over. Then date scheduled for tonight flaked due to her not sleeping till midday, I went into town half expecting her to be there, and was kinda annoyed. I was not super smooth when she messaged me after, outcome dependence pretty high. I feel like this city is extremely 'who you know' kinda vibe, low degrees of separation between people. (exit stage left)
I do feel this is something of a precarious situation.. where outcome dependence is gnawing at the gate... Challenging for sure.

A. You write more text than she does. Adhere to the golden ratio of 2/3 (for every 3 words she writes, you should write 2)

Is this something you adhere to naturally or something you consciously focus on? I have heard this before from another guru. I understand it, I guess your part B is something to internalise... which relates to to difficulty of landing girls in where I am....

 

[TheMaleBrain]

Is this something you adhere to naturally or something you consciously focus on? I have heard this before from another guru. I understand it, I guess your part B is something to internalise... which relates to to difficulty of landing girls in where I am....

Use the classic "Fake it until you make it" or "Practice makes perfect".
Meaning - you start by doing it consciously and you develop it into a "natural form".
I'm a big disbeliever in "natural". Most behaviors are learned, not "born into" (no matter how many people say it).

As per item B - it's "focus on the goal". You date in order to have fun and get to sex. You will fail, accept it. I failed so many times, sometimes spectacularly. Keep it up, it takes time.

 

[AFC]

lol spectacular failure. I'm good at that

 

[Papi Knox]

lol spectacular failure. I'm good at that

Stop talking about yourself like this. You are salting your own game and don't even know it.

You are the Man. The Fucking Man. You take girls on trilling adventure and love coming back for more because you're hilarious and fun.

That's how you talk to yourself Brother. Anything less and you're just like ALL the other guys.

 

[AFC]

I moved a girl to SMS chat and gave her my insta. Date scheduled 6 days in advance, just a little unsure about the content of my messaging, wanted to create small talk rather than just confirm my schedule.. Seems she isnt responding as I might have expected. Possibly my text game is off, or my dating app photos dont scratch up to my competition...

 

[TheMaleBrain]

My analysis:
1. You write too much - note that the ratio of words compared to hers (in what you've sent) is 2:1.
That's not good and create the "needy" vibe.

1. No flirting - you don't flirt with her or try to move it to different areas (some of the blame is on her).
2. Everyday texting - Unsure why you open her everyday if you haven't met. Suggest texting less unless it's for coordinating or a purpose, because:
3. Texting has a purpose - if she initiate (as she did on Tuesday), you should quickly move it to be about her, so she can feel that "you relate to her" (logistics is not a good plan to discuss in advance) or to flirt with her and make it sexual. You tried but didn't follow up. Might have developed to a conversation.
4. You worry too much - see Papi's advice

You are the Man. The Fucking Man. You take girls on trilling adventure and love coming back for more because you're hilarious and fun.

6. Make plans and also backup plans. If she falkes - you already have something other to do.

Good luck and we are here for you

 

[Papi Knox]

Your texts are boring. Why would she want to go on a date with a boring person.

If I texted you, your words here, would you think... "I can't wait to meet this guy, we're going to have so much fun talking business"?

No.

You set the date. Wish her well until then. Or give her a task to do between now and hte date. Be fun!

If it's more than 3 days away, sure text her.

Something HILARIOUSLY FUN.

I say a meme to make her piss her pants.

Don't even mention the date. Makre her laugh, talk about it a bit. Leave her wanting more.

 

[AFC]

Thanks for the comments, I think it may come down to where my head is at.. Engaging in more social activities more constantly I think may frame my mind better. - more birds eye view rather than being caught up in small details....
Having MLTRs helps a lot I guess, although interesting to note it has not solved everything.

 

[Papi Knox]

Engaging in more social activities more constantly I think may frame my mind better.

Your life isn't full enough so you're overthinking it. Do more. Think less.

Having MLTRs helps a lot I guess, although interesting to note it has not solved everything.

It hasn't? Time to add more to your roster than.

 

[joelsuf]

That's a lot of textversation without any real plans being made.

I mean I have textversations which chicks I meet online just to build some comfort but they I always spin it back to inviting her somewhere. You should too.

And yeah don't just have bland textversations about nothing. Talk about random silly stuff you see or make stuff up if you need to.

 

[Papi Knox]

Talk about random silly stuff you see or make stuff up if you need to.

No randomness. That's boring.

We're men not children. Have purpose or don't reach out at all.

She'll sense if you have intention or not and reward or punish you accordingly.

 

[AFC]

"It hasn't? Time to add more to your roster than." haha always the case, although when I said 'everything', while in a real sense I feel that is a great answer, I just meant in life generally, with frustrations etc
I feel like frame is more implicit in text when living in ones power, but these guidelines help for sure. Holy shit was I pissed off before applying 'get to sex fast', I know DHV or displaying value is really the whole point in game, to make conversations flow easily, and have girls giving IOIs, I just didn't have a tested system to DHV, so I was getting into some challenging times by not getting the IOIs I needed.
Purposefully understanding and internalising what outcome independence is all about is great as well.

Also examples are always great, after all learning happens by mirroring.