MLTR wants a baby

hollywood

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She won't say that, but she is high end MLTR and been with her almost 3 years with a couple LSNFTE in there. We don't use condoms, just pull out method and it's been perfectly fine that way. ( I do use condoms sometimes midway through). Anyway, the last time we had sex, we were both a little intoxicated as we usually are, but she repeatedly asked me "Cum inside me please!" while we were fucking. I haven't really said much to her about it, but I did mention the next time she talked to me, "You kept asking me to please cum in you." She just said, "I know, it would feel so amazing and we'd both cum so hard." I haven't said anything more about it, but any advice how to handle? I'm obviously not planning to impregnate her nor wanting to. She is late 20's, no kids yet, has said she wanted kids but is willing to skip that to be with me. Not saying I believe that though lol.
 

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Is she using any other anticoneptive method? Do you trust her using them? Do you keep track of her periods? If you get the news that she is pregnant, what is your plan?
 

hollywood

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No contraceptive at all, and yes I keep track of her periods however they range anywhere from a 28-day cycle to a 35 and everywhere in between. I am being very careful not to cum in her and when I want to, then I put on a condom midway through. I have been doing this with her the entire 3 years. If she were to get pregnant I'd try to get her to sign a child custody agreement but I would be devastated to get anyone pregnant.
 

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She wants a baby. She'll "accidentally" get it form you or another man whether you want it too or not.

Protect yourself.

1— Tell her you aren't going to have kids with her.
2— Use condoms or consider other male options.
3— Downgrade her to FB if she doesn't respect the above two.
4— Next her completely if she can't handle your ultimate decision around family planning.
 

Magok

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If I were you, I would try to convince her to take any contraceptive if she is serious with you. You are taking a big risk going barefoot with her.

I'll tell you what happened to me, I didn't know BD at that time.

I was dating this girl, she was older, me beign 25 and she was 32, we were about to break up because she wanted a baby and I didn't.

She was taking pills, but also she was taking a medicine that made her pills useless.

Started having sex when she was half asleep (she gave consent btw), mid-action she realized what we were doing and told me about to put on a condom, never came inside her. We only had sex once in that month, i'm almost sure that she wasn't seeing other guys.

Guess who got pregnant. Thanks God she didn't want to fuck my life and told that she would get an abortion, but it was a terrible experience.

She did want to get pregnant, she actually had tried to have a baby with her last boyfriend, she was in an age were her natural clock start ticking and telling her to become a mother soon if that is her wish, and above all this, abortion is illegal in my country, which made things a little more complicated.

Thanks to those evil femminist that the manosphere always cry about, I was able to get safe pills to practice an abortion in her house, but the whole process was a mess.

Too much trouble and drama, use a contraceptive method and avoid all this risk. I'm not an expert in non monogamy, but if she cant compromise with that I think that you might consider downgrade her to FB status
 

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I have another story, not that horrible like the last one.

Started dating this girl that I met through a common friend, we were talking a lot and I don't know well when, but she says:

-"This year I want to have a baby"

Me (already pressing the eject button): "oh nice... so, do you have a boyfriend?"

she: "nopes, I don't know how, but I want to have a baby this year".

We are still friends, she is hillarious, but I dodged a bullet there. About a month later she got pregnant of a neighbour, front door the place she just moved.
 

hollywood

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I've always been very careful with her, but I am good at pulling out. I will say when she is on top I tell her when to get off of me and she always does, but there has been a bit of hesitation the last few times. Even if she were to stay and hold tight, I can get out of her in time. But I'm hearing both of you, maybe always use a condom with her from now on? I really hate that and so does she. Like most of the time it's ok, but we want to be bare at least every so often. She knows I don't want a baby, and she doesn't try to force it on me. At least she asked me to and didn't try to force anything. So do I really have to take extra precaution with contraceptive now, like using condom every time? Magok, you got a woman pregnant off your precum or something then? Like if you didn't cum, how else did she get pregnant, so precum?
 

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Assuming he didn't come inside her, another man did. Don't believe what women say, only what they do. The urge to have a baby is powerful in a woman. I wrote about it here: https://cavemanlenox.wordpress.com/2019/05/08/6-reasons-all-women-are-the-same-part-5-of-6/

You have options with your challenge here.Don't like condoms, chances are you use sucky American ones. If you're not a big fella I recommend Japanese thin condoms like Kimonos. Or find a thin, barely there brand that works for you. UndercoverCondoms.com is a Great resource for this. Female condoms could be a a better bet for you, as well as spermicide gels.

None of that matters because you now know better. Whevetever happens next is your fault. So take this time now and forever to be responsible about your choices. Based on what you're telling us here, you must downgrade her to an FB, and like all FBs always wear a condom.

Keep it simple. Either protect yourself or accept the nearly $250,000 price tage of raising a child until he/she is 18.

Choice is yours.

Don't go beta.

Choose wisely.
 

hollywood

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I have to use regular magnums unfortunately. It sounds like none of you trust pulling out, but I'm quite sure Caleb says it is acceptable if done correctly. But knowing the woman wants a baby changes that?
 

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Did you give her the no baby and abortion talk that BD recommends in his book? How did she react?
Do you have a batch of next day pills available nearby that you can give her immediately if you mistakenly cum inside her, and can you stay with her and monitor her during 24 hours to ensure her proper swallowing it and not puking it (this includes staying with her in your view at all time during 24 hours, especially being hyper vigilant whenever she goes to the bathroom and listen if she pukes, and taking a day off work if necessary)? They often come in 2 pills that she has to swallow at 12 hours interval, better buy the only one pill version if you can.

I think if you really want to remain childfree for now, it is totally worth it to act overly paranoid about it and overzealously protect yourself. Personally I really want to remain childfree, and from my point of view what you describe especially sex without condom and without contraceptive with a woman near her 30s who want babies even if you do it properly and wear a condom before cuming, is asking for troubles. It's red alert. It's 100% your fault if she gets pregnant and your sorry ass is forced to hand her free money every month for 18 years to sponsor her baby urges.You have everything to loose and she has everything to win from this scenario. Huge red flag.

However I disagree with :
1— Tell her you aren't going to have kids with her.
2— Use condoms or consider other male options.
3— Downgrade her to FB if she doesn't respect the above two.
4— Next her completely if she can't handle your ultimate decision around family planning.
You don't need to tell her anything if you don't want to. It's probably bad to over verbalize beyond the "no baby and abortion" talk BD advises. Just wear a condom and have a few next day pills ready in case it breaks.
As long as she doesn't manufacture drama there is no reason to downgrade her or to next her.
 
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hollywood

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Good advice Lazy. Here's what I think I'll do, I will get the morning after pills to have on standby. I will start using condoms each time. I will not downgrade or next her yet, although for other reasons, she may need a bit of a downgrade, but I'm still debating that. She has never had issue with my family planning or lack of, but she would take a baby from me if I'd give her one.
 

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1— Downgrade her. Not a debate. You have many reasons beyond what you've cited here. This girl adds drama to your life. Have you noticed how much time you've thought about and talked about this topic alone. That's drama. If you like drama OK, but you have to accept the consequences of it, and know that it's not Alpha 2.0. I have two relationships with no disrespect from either woman. That's normal and healthy. One wants babies, and the other doesn't. Yet we never deal with the issues you're facing because I lead the relationship and she knows my principles on this topic. What you're dealing with will become more trouble unless you setup boundaries.

Moreover, my true concern is if you're negotiating your happiness in this area, chances are you're doing it in other areas too.

2— One of the SMIC members runs this site. Spend time here NotAFather.com. You'll particularly enjoy these two articles:

3— Pull out is only acceptable if you don't mind the consequence of STDs and STIs. I consider a child an STD. It's your life and you can do whatever you want, but you have to be OK with the outcome. You clearly are not outcome independent on this topic, which means you have to act accordingly to setup a situation where the outcome doesn't bother you. Be Alpha 2.0, not beta. Lead your realtionship don't let her lead you. Any woman you the puts you in position of submitting to her like this girl is not someone worthy of being a mother to your child. Keep that in mind.



So take control of your life and Educate yourself.
 

hollywood

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All right I will check out the links you provided Lenox J. I'm hearing you and considering the downgrade but I'm not sure why it is drama for her to have said that in the middle of sex? She isn't pushing for it and hasn't said it again, but if she does I plan to say, "not happening." And leave it at that. You must be remembering older posts of mine then, because yes, I do get some drama sometimes from her. But it seems like I get more drama out of MLTR on the high end no matter who it is. Still isn't that much or I'd soft next.
 

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My take: No woman I don't want to have babies with now or ever, will ever be more than just an FB. An FB I use protection with always.

It's drama in the sense that she's projected her life onto yours and is forcing you to think about and care about things that are distracting you from your real priorities.

She's trying to assert control of your life. You could call it a shit-test. How you respond will determine if she goes further in disrespecting you or if she'll know her role in your life and play the part or leave.

If you aren't bothered by what's she's doing, then you are missing the point that your life and enjoyment of it is all that matters.

Put yourself first always, and the women worth your time will come to you.

Otherwise this woman is trouble for you and will only make your life miserable, if you don't handle it properly. You heard it hear first.
 

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You guys are overreacting.

She said that she wants you to cum inside her, so what? It's your job to always be careful, even if she never says it.

I'm also good at controlling and pulling-out, have done it 4 years with multiple girls without any problem so I doubt it's your child if you do it correctly, @Magok. However, I always make sure that when I'm about to come, I'm in a position that she CAN'T hold me back (from pulling out). Otherwise, if having any doubt, I put on a good condom and just cum inside her.

I have had girls asking me to impregnate them or tell me that they wanted to have babies right this year... I just smirk and keep fucking them the way I do, because on bed I'm always in control when I'm about to cum, all the fucking time.

Obviously, all odds are off if you are dealing with a psychopath (easy to recognize). In that case, downgrade them, or even hard-next, it's not worth the mental stress.
 

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Lenox J I appreciate your sound advice. Probably from your perspective I am not as alpha 2.0 as you, but even though I don't want kids, I do need a close connection with a woman at at least mltr level. I wouldn't be happy only having fb's long term. I hear what you are saying, and you are right for the most part, but I am different than you in the sense that I need a bit of an emotional connection with a woman beyond what fb gives me.

There are a couple reasons why I tolerate this woman more than you would. First I am in a small population area which I realize is my fault. Second and more importantly, this woman is essentially faithful to me and only has sex with me when she is seeing me. While I know there should be no rules, we do have one, she must tell me if she sleeps with anyone else so that we may use condoms at all times. I use condoms all times with all other women but her. I do realize that women lie and I understand and accept the consequences of trusting her on this.

Also she has a dominant side which she is unable to fulfill with me. So she goes through spurts of spending the night with men whom claim to just want to cuddle (beta) but obviously want more. She tortures them by letting them know she is open and they can try to win her away from me, but she really never gives in. She likes the attention and likes to have someone to cuddle with regularly and the most she gets is one night a week of cuddling with me. She feeds her dominant side and her need for attention by loser betas who will cuddle with her endless nights in hopes of eventually getting her pussy. Some guys give up after just one night, others hang on for a few months. She enjoys making these guys lust for her and leaving them with "blue balls" and she feels like it gives her options if I decide to cut her off. This probably means in your mind that she is a dominant and is another reason why she should only be fb, but she is submissive with me for the most part. She separates her need for dominance and practices that on her beta cuddle buddies, but being dominant as she is, it causes her to shit test often. However I pass her shit tests every time, but because of her personality type, she does still do shit tests. These are things you maybe wouldn't tolerate, but to me they don't touch the level of drama and if they did she would and has been soft nexted several times. As a matter of fact I haven't had to soft next her for a long time because she knows when it will happen and doesn't push it that far.
 

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Yes, preecum. I guess that my tadpoles are strong.

The pulling out method has an average succes rate of 70~80% a year.

That means that if you only use the pulling out method, for a year, you have a 20~30% chances of getting her pregnant. 10 times above the 2% rule of Caleb.
 
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hollywood

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Caleb also has said pull out method is safe if done correctly, I don't remember if it was on the blog or in the book, probably in the book. He used to put on a condom partway through also.
 

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Yes, preecum. I guess that my tadpoles are strong.

The pulling out method has an average succes rate of 70~80% a year.

That means that if you only use the pulling out method, for a year, you have a 20~30% chances of getting her pregnant. 10 times above the 2% rule of Caleb.
Where do you find that statistic? AFAIK, fact is: pre-cum doesn't contain sperm. As the pre-ejaculate leaves the body, however, it may pick up sperm from a previous ejaculation that remains in the urethra. Such small amounts of sperm can likely be flushed out with urination, so the chance is extremely low (if you do it correctly), well below 2% I believe.

The success rate of 70-80% may be true though, there are always 20-30% of idiots who think they can control it perfectly, while they actually can't and let the sperms get inside the girls when they pull it out. If you ain't sure, better use a condom.

And of course, only do the pull-out method with girls that are safe, STD-free, means: they are long-term, honest, currently don't have sex with other men and if they do, they tell you first hand about it.
 

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@hollywood as long as you are aware of those things, then do what you do. Everything you say you want you can have, none of which has to ruin your current relationships.

My aim is to address the root concerns of how you think so you can level up and be truly free and happy.

Your choices are not Alpha 2.0 and you're settling. I challenge you to look at yourself and your life, and ask: Am I happy?

If not, Shift It. What's waiting for you on the other side is beyond your imagination.

True independence.

I wrote about it here and how to obtain it https://cavemanlenox.wordpress.com/2019/05/17/get-your-life-together/.

And every day in SMIC we celebrate it.

 
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