Opening VYWs: Day Game

[aceva]

Who does it? What works for you? Where do you do it?

I'm in a midwestern city of just shy of 300,000, and my focus is on VYW literally from the moment their AoC birthday is over until about 22ish. I have college campuses available, and a coffee house across the street from one of the local high schools. (Most girls are legal for at least one year of high school in this jurisdiction.)

I generally use some variation of the "Is that a good [fill in the blank]?" opener. Unfortunately, my success rate isn't what I'd like it to be with this.

What do you fine gentlemen do?

 

[lenox]

Lots of ways to approach this. Assuming they aren't dominant types, this works nicely:

How I open women who then fight for my attention

Caleb's work is less about opening and pickup and more about relationship management. It's why I gravitate towards this work and probably you too since we're all busy. It's simpler to invest a decent amount of time to build a roster than to constantly chase or contract oneitis. So here's...

alpha20community.com

 

[joelsuf]

I use good ol' observational humor. I never liked the idea of canned lines or "routines." Wasted like 5 years of my life (2006-2011) doing that gimmicky nonsense.

When I approach, I literally talk about anything out of the ordinary that I have observed regarding the chick I want to approach. I keep it classy and fun of course, and don't talk about anything sexual or anything like that. If I can't come up with any decent observations, I go with JMULV's classic "hey can I meet you real quick?" Then I talk about how I thought they were someone I knew or something.

I live in a college town so there are lots of VYWs around. The thing with approaching VYWs live is that it happens to them a lot so you gotta make sure not to pressure them like crazy. If you are even an ounce creepy its over. Saw a couple VYW chicks when I was laying out at my apartment complex's pool this afternoon. Saw one of them take out a portable speaker that didn't really look like a portable speaker. So I just asked them about it and we chatted for a bit. Wanted to ask the thinner of the two chicks out but I'm pretty fat so I didn't really have the confidence to do it.

Later on, while hanging out at the taco joint I hang out at, I saw this VYW black chick react to some really hot salsa she was having with her chips. I eyeballed her, grinned, and shouted out to her and her friend "oh come on, it's not that bad!" Then we laughed about it together. I was there to relax tho, so I didn't really care about inviting her anywhere either.

 

[lenox]

There's a difference between using a canned line, and saying something you actually know and believe.

Your issue is not "what to do", but knowing you're the man and just doing whatever you want.

This is Frame. Say something that doesn't suit your frame, and you will set off triggers in anyone, let alone a woman. Not because of the them, but your own inconsistency.

Don't overthink this at all. It's just talk. You talk with us. You talk with your mates. Girls are no different.

Be outcome independent, express yourself how you like to express yourself, and they will follow your lead.

I say practice. You need to go out of your way and talk to five girls every day. No matter what. NO EXCUSES.

This is called laying the bricks. You don't have to get a phone number, or get laid. Just a casual interaction with any woman of any age and background for at least 30 seconds. Talk to five a day between waking up and going to bed.

This will help you realize women are basic as fuck, and they don't care what you look like assuming you're not hideous, and that you have so much that they want to learn about.

Get out ya head and into the game. Also no more masturbation.

 

[joelsuf]

no more masturbation

I support no fap as much as the next, but wouldn't it be a better idea to "regulate" masturbation, like once every 72 hours or something? That's what I do. But then again, I'm not deep in the hunt for chicks at the moment. I suppose if I was deep in the hunt I wouldn't need to fap.

 

[lenox]

I say no fap since it'll focus your mind and body to do what it takes to get laid, take risks, and overall do work that will better you overall. It's worth doing 30 days without it. Masturbating otherwise is a quick way to enfeeble you by rewarding yourself for doing nothing.

Slippery slope.

Plus... did you notice of all the things I said, you only paused and commented to the masturbation bit. Question is Why does not masturbating bother so much?

Answer that and you have the real answer to your Day Game challenge.

 

[joelsuf]

Masturbating otherwise is a quick way to enfeeble you by rewarding yourself for doing nothing.

Oh I agree with that. I still think it can be "regulated" however. I usually fap every 3 or so days. But yeah I've gone longer without doing it and I've noticed myself being more focused and stuff so I get that. Don't know about going an entire month however. Longest I've done no fap was for I think a week. I will say this: Anyone who has a chick who they can have sex with shouldn't fap at all since they can just go have sex instead of fap.

Plus... did you notice of all the things I said, you only paused and commented to the masturbation bit.

It's the only thing I felt like commenting on. Everything else I agree with completely and is also how I meet chicks.

Why does not masturbating bother so much?

It doesn't, I just can't see myself doing no fap for any significant amount of time.

 

[lenox]

Anyone who has a chick who they can have sex with shouldn't fap at all since they can just go have sex instead of fap.

That's the point. Get some chicks.

It doesn't, I just can't see myself doing no fap for any significant amount of time.

Same question. Why does not masturbating bother you so much?

You're avoiding something major in general, and your words betray you. In this case, the true answer to this specific question will point out exactly what you want and what changes you need to make to get it.

 

[joelsuf]

That's the point. Get some chicks.

No shit lol. I took some time off chicks for awhile so I could earn a solid location independent income, but I'm ready to get back on it.

the true answer to this specific question will point out exactly what you want and what changes you need to make to get it.

I understand you're big on no fap. I guess I question the integrity of no fappers, I'm like "really? They don't fap EVER? I doubt that." But I'm not hating on no fap. Its a good concept. Once I start going on dates and getting laid again I won't need to fap at all probably.

Do you read Bold And Determined? A lot of your rhetoric reminds me of that blog.

 

[lenox]

That's what I was getting at brother.

All you need is more confidence, which means practice doing what ya haven't been doing for a while.

All masturbation is a coping mechanism for helping us deal with challenges we're facing that make us feel lonely. Address those concerns and you'll take back control over your thoughts, feelings, and thus, your actions too.

It's powerful.

Thanks for the BAD connection. My work is similar: http://bit.ly/CavemanLife

We differ on a lot of things, but we both know living natural yields the most happiness. Just like Caleb teaches.

 

[joelsuf]

All you need is more confidence, which means practice doing what ya haven't been doing for a while.

I'm getting there eventually. I just gotta remind myself to invite every chick I approach, and these are VYWs. Hell the two I approached at the gym were UYWs (Ultra young women; both were 18-19 lol) who thought I looked like Brendan Fraser lol. VYWs are a newer venture for me, as nearly every chick I've been with in the last five years have been over 30. So when I'm approaching the college students around me I'm like "I'm 15-20 years older than these chicks, is this alright?" lol.

All masturbation is a coping mechanism for helping us deal with challenges we're facing that make us feel lonely. Address those concerns and you'll take back control over your thoughts, feelings, and thus, your actions too.

I agree. That's true for a lot of stuff. Even chatting on this board is a coping mechanism. For me it isn't so much loneliness as much as it is horniness lol. I enjoy being alone actually. So when I fap I do it cuz I'm horny not lonely.

And about BAD, I'd enjoy Victor Pride's work even more if he was a little less Alpha 1. But that's his market. Still, well over 90% of his work is awesome. His thoughts on social media are spot on.

 

[lenox]

Yes that's alright. That's natural. That's preferred

Yeah Pride is a special man. I wouldn't cal him A1.0. He's definitely 2.0. Only difference is that what makes him happiest is enjoying his life without women like we do. That's a choice based in his Code, not out of inability to have women. Important distinction to make.

 

[Yoylo]

I say no fap since it'll focus your mind and body to do what it takes to get laid, take risks, and overall do work that will better you overall. It's worth doing 30 days without it. Masturbating otherwise is a quick way to enfeeble you by rewarding yourself for doing nothing.

The science disagrees with you on that one.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631/jzus.2003.0236

Ejaculating every 7 days should keep testosterone levels at max.

However, you probably need to ejaculate more often to keep a prostate healthy.

No fap has no science behind it and is a dangerous delusion.

In my opinion, it works as a confidence booster because for many guys it is the first time in their life they made a serious decision and stuck to it.

 

[lenox]

The science disagrees with you on that one.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631/jzus.2003.0236

That research is nearly 17 years old and only speaks to the testosterone component.

When advising men on this topic, we have to be mindful of the physical AND mental affects.

Ejaculation is important. Ideally with a woman where a healthy exchange of nutrients takes place, as nature intends. Ejaculation with masturbation there's no exchange, it's just purging.

I would never tell a man to vomit regularly and expect him to live a full life. The same way I cannot responsibly tell that man to masturbate and expect to thrive.

That is why every man here is better off improving his physical and mental fitness so that he con comfortably manage his emotions and actions. Said actions that will both attract women who beg for sex with men. Plus he'll have the necesarily strength to manage her emotions and miantain a healthy relationship with her so he has consistent, penetrative sex.

Otherwise, masturbation will limit a man in his daily pursuits at best, or drive him into a dark hole where he feels helpless, at worse. Many men here can attest to this.

A man can't be free to thrive, when he's hurting internally like that with a self-inflicted wound.

 

[joelsuf]

No fap has no science behind it and is a dangerous delusion.

When it comes to fapping, I aim to only fap every 48 to 72 hours. And that's if I don't have a reliable FB to have sex with.

Otherwise, masturbation will limit a man in his daily pursuits at best, or drive him into a dark hole where he feels helpless, at worse. Many men here can attest to this.

Oh yeah, its very addictive. Was an escape of mine for a VERY long time.

 

[lenox]

When it comes to fapping, I aim to only fap every 48 to 72 hours. And that's if I don't have a reliable FB to have sex with.

Put that good energy to work. I recommend fitness or improving your relationships. Both lead to attract hot girls who beg to fuck you.

Can't be beat!

 

[joelsuf]

Put that good energy to work.

Oh yeah, I do that anyways. I also meant to say that when I fap I only do it when I'm enjoying a day off or some other kind of downtime.

 

[hollywood]

I'm with Lenox, no masturbating. I feel like a loser when I do it. Yeah you're right, every once in a while I'm alone and a horniness builds up, but my goal is to never do it. My fb's are for that. High Level masturbation per se. My FB's require very little of my time or energy, so they are spread out properly so that I don't have times I'm needing to get myself off and they only require a minimal amount of my time.

Also, even though I don't have to explain myself, I've had one or two women who complain about my "need to fuck other girls". I tell them I hate masturbating which is true, and that is the reason I need a little on the side. It's a decent explanation as they don't really argue with it.